Re: [Ardour-users] Re: good quality reverb - brutefir!

From: Ross Vandegrift (ross_at_willow.seitz.com)
Date: 11/25/03 11:16 EST


From: Ross Vandegrift <ross@willow.seitz.com>
Subject: Re: [Ardour-users] Re: good quality reverb - brutefir!
Message-ID: <20031125161656.GA22372@willow.seitz.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:16:56 -0500

On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 03:03:45PM +0000, Carl Hetherington wrote:
> Now of course having a church in your cellar presents certain practical
> issues.

Yes indeed ::-)

> 1.  Use something that is "good enough" --- e.g. a gun shot (probably
> best not to use this in a church) or a high-quality loudspeaker.

I was thinking about this earlier today - I'm a drummer so I've got lots
of things that could be used to produce such sharp, noisy signals.
Seems like that'd be a fun thing to play with.

> 2.  Swept sines --- you can make a good stab at measuring the impulse
> response by measuring the response of the room to a varying sine wave and
> doing some jiggery-pokery.

Do you really need the jiggery-pokery?  The nice thing about the delta
function is that it captures *all* the frequencies and the IRs will
capture the rooms response to all of them.  But of course we can't
actually generate a delta function.

So it occurs to me sweeping from 0Hz to 24kHz will capture the response
of all the frequencies people will be able to hear.  So, if we apply the
reverb filter to audio, and we miss frequencies that are inaudible, who
really cares?

> 3.  Pseudo-random binary sequences / Golay codes --- a bit complicated to
> go into here but essentially you use a pre-defined but noise-like signal
> and do some maths.

Hmmm, not an application of coding theory I'd have guessed...
What does this approach win us?  It seems to me that the sine-sweep is
really where it's at for audio.  Using Golay codes seems like a lot of
work.

> One commercial gadget that uses these principles is the Yamaha SREV
> http://www.soundcorp.com.au/html/yamaha_srev.htm
> I'm sure there are others.

I seem to recall a discussion on lau recently about sine-wave sweep
generation.  I'll dig into the archives and try to find some free
software to do things like this.

-- 
Ross Vandegrift
ross@willow.seitz.com

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