Re: [Jamin] JAMin web page

From: Jan Depner (eviltwin69_at_cableone.net)
Date: 01/02/04 21:00 EST


Subject: Re: [Jamin] JAMin web page
From: Jan Depner <eviltwin69@cableone.net>
Message-Id: <1073095237.19925.50.camel@eviltwin>
Date: 02 Jan 2004 20:00:35 -0600

I'm probably screwing up the pan vs balance thing.  I'm not sure I
understand the difference.  I just let Steve do all the hard stuff ;-) 
All I do is the GUI.  At any rate, it's easy to take out if it sucks.

Jan

On Fri, 2004-01-02 at 20:03, parker wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Jan Depner wrote:
> 
> >Ron,
> >
> >	I think the phrasing on that is subtly wrong.  I believe the idea is to
> >be able to pan each band (as defined by the crossovers).
> >
> Unless I'm missing something, I stand by my position. OK, I'll try to be 
> more understanding. I discussed this with a friend who is a more 
> experienced engineer than I am. The idea doesn't make much sense to him 
> either.
> 
> I'm asking myself what problem would this fix. Maybe if the lower band 
> of the left side is completely hosed you can increase its gain. By 
> wiring the crossover to a balance control you can affect the range.
> 
> So you put a balance control after the Main Output and leave a switch 
> that connects or disconnects it to the crossover. This way you can 
> affect balance with or without the crossovers.  I see Steve has 
> commented on the distinction between balance and pan.
> 
> >  The controls
> >are already in the GUI. 
> >  
> >
> > It doesn't hurt to add this since it will
> >default to center. 
> >
> I disagree. If the feature is there, it will be used and it will obscure 
> features that are useful.
> 
> >I would advise that we try it and see how it works. 
> >It might suck or it might be great.  Remember, there was no such thing
> >as a 1024 band, hand-drawn EQ in mastering until we got started either.
> >  
> >
> I don't think that's a good analogy because the EQ is parametic 
> behaviour incorporated into a graphic interface. What you're proposing 
> above, unless I just don't get it, is exotic.
> 
> I respect the desire to explore and find interesting solutions. It's a 
> great thing. But I think this type of feature should be tested outside 
> the public CVS branch. Well, exploring outside the public branch is 
> worth consideration.
> 
> JAMin is an easy to use and very clean tool. It does a damned good job. 
> I'd hate to see it become populated with exotic features that will 
> invariably be misused or cause confusion.
> 
> 
> >Jan
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 2004-01-02 at 19:14, parker wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>He mentioned being able to pan the crossovers. 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>He doesn't know what he's talking about.
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>He worked with an engineer in NZ whose program allowed him to pan eg. 
> >>>the vocals, providing more of a stereo feel.
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>There is no such capability in mastering and there shouldn't be.
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>I guess that means he could pan each range before it is feed to the 
> >>>compressors. 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>See above, definitely not a good idea.
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>I know there are a few ways to do this but it might be useful to have 
> >>>JAMin too? 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>No!
> >>
> >>If you want to affect your stereo field use the multiband widening 
> >>controls that are located under the compressor bands.
> >>
> >>Anyway, sorry to seem like an ass but it's better to see the truth. Right?
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>-- 
> >>Ron Parker
> >>Lionstracs General Manager U.S.
> >>2428 Dupont Ave S
> >>Minneapolis, Minnesota 55405
> >>SIP 1-747-669-0224
> >>Studio 612-281-0663
> >>
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> -- 
> Ron Parker
> Lionstracs General Manager U.S.
> 2428 Dupont Ave S
> Minneapolis, Minnesota 55405
> SIP 1-747-669-0224
> Studio 612-281-0663
> 
> 




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