Re: pre7-4 to pre7-6 breaks VMWare module build

From: James Sutherland (jas88@cam.ac.uk)
Date: Sat May 06 2000 - 12:23:59 EDT

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    On 6 May 2000, Michael Harnois wrote:

    > On Sat, 6 May 2000 12:31:00 +0100 (BST), Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> said:
    >
    > > I think its a bit much to berate someone for not supporting the
    > > latest cutting edge snapshot.
    >
    > You manage to do it; I don't know why they can't.

    Alan can do it because he's a cluster of massively parallel gnomes :-)

    (Now, when do we get a cluster of KDEs joining in? :P)

    > I'm always perplexed when someone involved in free software
    > development finds it in his heart to leap to the defense of a
    > commercial enterprise.

    They aren't necessarily the enemy. On the Wine project in particular,
    Corel have worked very closely and effectively on the project. I could
    certainly imagine one of the Wine developers defending Corel.

    > To me it's an open question whether commercial software companies can
    > learn to function in sufficiently new ways to survive in the open
    > software environment.

    As with almost any change, some will survive, some won't. <Darwin> That's
    how we make progress. </Darwin>

    IBM, Corel and a few others seem perfectly capable of adapting. I don't
    think we'll see Microsoft "opening up" any time soon; they never really
    seemed flexible enough.

    > I believe it requires a great deal more flexibility than most
    > profit-making ventures have usually demonstrated. Put simply, I
    > believe it would be reasonable to say "we'll have a fix in four days."

    IBM have been doing that sort of thing for years - decades even. The
    "customers are irrelevant... you will be adapted to suit our software"
    approach is a more recent Microsoft-ism :-)

    > It is not reasonable, and not an indication of the will to survive, to
    > say "wait an indefinite period of time until the next release." I
    > don't need another Microsoft in my life.

    <shudder> Seconded! I can understand them not having a definite time frame
    on some problems, but a progress indicator - ANY progress indicator, even
    "it's worse than that Jim ... it'll have to wait until version 2" would be
    better (IMO) than "erm ... yep, it'll get fixed. One day."

    > What makes this particular case even more stupid is that Petr is
    > working for VMware to do this support, and *is* very good and very
    > timely; you just won't find out about that from them.

    I always think a great measure of how good a company is is how well the
    enthusiasm/ability of individual members of staff is reflected in the
    overall company image. Some companies are much less than the sum of their
    parts...

    James.

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