Re: /dev/random probs in 2.4test(12-pre3)

From: Theodore Y. Ts'o (tytso@MIT.EDU)
Date: Sat Dec 02 2000 - 18:18:06 EST

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       From: "Albert D. Cahalan" <acahalan@cs.uml.edu>
       Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 17:00:32 -0500 (EST)

    > Any programmer who has evolved sufficiently from a scriptie
    > should take necessary precautions to check how much data was
    > transferred. Those who don't..well, there is still tomorrow.

       Yeah, people write annoying little wrapper functions that
       bounce right back into the kernel until the job gets done.
       This is slow, it adds both source and object bloat, and it
       is a source of extra bugs. What a lovely API, eh?

    Well, that's the Unix interface you. I you don't like it, why don't you
    become a Windows programmer and try your hand at the Win32 interface? :-)

    Seriously, doing something different for /dev/random compared to all
    other read(2) calls is a bad idea; it will get people confused. The
    answer is whenever you call read(2), you must check the return values.
    People who don't are waiting to get themselves into a lot of trouble,
    particularly people who writing network programs. The number of people
    who assume that they can get an entire (variable-length) RPC packet by
    doing a single read() call astounds me. TCP doesn't provide message
    boundaries, never did and never will. The problem is that such program
    will work on a LAN, and then blow up when you try using them across the
    real Internet.

    Secondly, the number of times that you end up going into a kernel is
    relatively rare; I doubt you'd be able to notice a performance
    difference in the real world using a real-world program. As far as
    source/object code bloat, well, how much space does a while loop take?
    And I usyally write a helper function which takes care of the while
    loop, checks for errors, calls read again if EINTR is returned, etc.

                                                    - Ted

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